{"content":{"sharePage":{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"37129358","dateCreated":"1302013257","smartDate":"Apr 5, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"jhand7","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jhand7","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294329320\/jhand7-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/lhsacpw131b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/37129358"},"dateDigested":1532652737,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Answers","description":"1. The narrator was born into a culture of a third world country, Hindi, and with a large family. The encounter with the astrologer makes it seem that she is a certain religion, which we don\u2019t really know of yet, that follows strange (in my opinion) rituals. The fact that her sisters were concerned that she would never find a husband because of the scar on her head makes it known that their culture believes in marrying young.
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\n2. I figure that the Iowan\u2019s perception of \u201cAsia\u201d is what most of us may think, just from what they have seen on TV, and that it is completely false. Mother makes it seem like it can\u2019t be any worse than the Depression, which we view as false, from the way that the narrator acts by keeping the worst stories to herself.
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\n3. I think people deal with her \u201cotherness\u201d by accepting her, and avoiding any conversation that may lead to an uncomfortable direction. I am really interested in learning about her past, and maybe that will better answer this question. I may better understand why they avoid certain topics concerning her complicated history.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"37129406","body":"OOPS SORRY!","dateCreated":"1302013293","smartDate":"Apr 5, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"jhand7","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jhand7","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294329320\/jhand7-lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"37084892","dateCreated":"1301943807","smartDate":"Apr 4, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"apurcell47","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/apurcell47","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1202793136\/apurcell47-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/lhsacpw131b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/37084892"},"dateDigested":1532652737,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Reading Assignment for Monday, April 11","description":"Read chapters 3 & 4 and discuss the themes of identity and belonging that has been developing in the novel thus far. Post by class on Monday.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"37436426","body":"During the reading it seemed as if there were a few people who struggled to find their identity. Du and Jane both struggled at first to find their place and figure out their new identity as an American and how to adjust to their place in American culture. Jane seems as if she wants to talk to everyone about her struggles in India, but discovers that her talks of her past and the Hindi culture make other people uncomfortable. Jane seems to struggle with just being a \u201cplain Jane\u201d it seems like she still wants to express her Indian past, but also wants to blend in.","dateCreated":"1302482512","smartDate":"Apr 10, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Indiana_Jonas","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Indiana_Jonas","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294372647\/Indiana_Jonas-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"37437160","body":"Like everyone else has said Americans are materialistic, and the identities are why Jasmine and Du have collected things to be more American and to fit in with the people around them. Just like Du has stopped using a dictionary because he has picked up the English language quickly. The same thing happened to Jasmine and Du that the people of Elsa county do not get the different races and think that Chinese, Japanese and Vietnamese people are all the same, but they both just want to blend in with everyone else.","dateCreated":"1302483331","smartDate":"Apr 10, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Whedrick","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Whedrick","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294329874\/Whedrick-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"37443396","body":"I think that the most prevalent theme, regarding identity, that is present thus far is the uncomfortable feelings of conformity. Both Du and Asia recognize how different they are from their American counterparts. They also see how uneasy people become when they discuss the hardships of their cultures and homelands. For these reasons they create a facade that they exhibit when they are interacting with others. They also attempt to "Americanize" themselves by carrying out actions that typical Americans do. Like Du's collecting, for example.","dateCreated":"1302491764","smartDate":"Apr 10, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"a-humphrey","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/a-humphrey","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294328930\/a-humphrey-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"37451216","body":"Identity is obviously a huge part in this story. Many of the characters have very similar identities but yet each still has their very own unique style. Some even are trying to make new identies for themselves in their new lives in America in hopes of becoming more "American".","dateCreated":"1302519793","smartDate":"Apr 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"bbeatley","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/bbeatley","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294368117\/bbeatley-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"37453310","body":"In Jasmine, Du and Jasmine are becoming more used to the lifestyles in America. Du has been fluent in English for awhile now, and he is becoming more intertwined with what Iowans do. He is a big monster truck fan and loves to watch television. One identity of himself that he did not lose is cherishing what he has. He was used to having to keep everything in order to survive, and now that he is in America with many items, he will not throw them away. He hordes everything he has. Jasmine fits in well with the family, but is struggling a little with the identity other people are giving her. They are now calling her Jane instead of Jasmine. I feel this would happen to anybody that has struggled previously in life, and to have made such a drastic change in lifestyle. Darrel is an example of a person who struggles with his identity and is from America. He does not want to be a farmer, rather he wants to sell his land and create a golf course. I feel that he is partially doing this in honor of his father, not for himself.","dateCreated":"1302523258","smartDate":"Apr 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"ironschoeff","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ironschoeff","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294676067\/ironschoeff-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"37453320","body":"In Jasmine, Du and Jasmine are becoming more used to the lifestyles in America. Du has been fluent in English for awhile now, and he is becoming more intertwined with what Iowans do. He is a big monster truck fan and loves to watch television. One identity of himself that he did not lose is cherishing what he has. He was used to having to keep everything in order to survive, and now that he is in America with many items, he will not throw them away. He hordes everything he has. Jasmine fits in well with the family, but is struggling a little with the identity other people are giving her. They are now calling her Jane instead of Jasmine. I feel this would happen to anybody that has struggled previously in life, and to have made such a drastic change in lifestyle. Darrel is an example of a person who struggles with his identity and is from America. He does not want to be a farmer, rather he wants to sell his land and create a golf course. I feel that he is partially doing this in honor of his father, not for himself.","dateCreated":"1302523265","smartDate":"Apr 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"ironschoeff","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ironschoeff","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294676067\/ironschoeff-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"37453580","body":"I think the book\u2019s theme is based on identity and how some of the characters struggle in finding their identity. Both Jasmine and Du come to America and it is hard for them to find their place in a new country. Eventually they come to find their place in a new country by learning more about it. For example, Du learned English. Over time they start to find their identities and blend in with the people in their new country.","dateCreated":"1302523532","smartDate":"Apr 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"nhutch5","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/nhutch5","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"37453612","body":"A huge theme in the story is identity for these people. Some people possess the identity of a \u201cnormal\u201d American with every day struggles. Du for example is trying to become more like an American. He has picked up some hobbies that are Americanizing him, and has been hanging out with friends. Jasmine does not really seem to let on about her true identity. She just tries her best to act American. I think though that both Du and Jasmine are just hiding their true identities.","dateCreated":"1302523559","smartDate":"Apr 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"abbysutton","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/abbysutton","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"37454256","body":"America is essentially a melting pot full of multiple races integrating into \u201cour\u201d culture and Americanizing. Jasmine and Du are both foreign to this country, and have both worked to create an American identity that they can share with the other people of Iowa. However, in order for them to belong they have to sacrifice; inevitably they must change some parts about themselves so they can better fit in with the rest of society. Sometimes these changes are miniscule, but others can be monumental. Du which was pronounced \u201cYo\u201d was altered into Yogi by Du\u2019s classmates, and Bud calls Jasmine \u201cJane\u201d (An example of Jasmine\u2019s longing to belong is when she refers to how she would love to become \u201cPlain Jane\u201d). Customs, rituals, and cultures; all must be altered so they can \u201cbelong.\u201d
\nDarrel is in a slightly different situation than his two foreign friends. After his father died he was thrust into the farming business. He now has to care for the animals, tend the crops, and try to keep his sanity. While he has been forced to adjust to this massive lifestyle change, he is unable to get a loan from Bud to bring some of his farming ideas to life, and he is facing offers for his land to be bought so there could be a golf course created on what used to be his property. What is Darrel suppose to do when he is somewhat backed into a corner at the moment? This predicament is definitely going to cause some ruckus later on the in the book.","dateCreated":"1302524064","smartDate":"Apr 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"jkisor","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jkisor","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"37454970","body":"Identity and belonging play a major role in this story. All of the characters are just trying to fit in within their society. Jasmine has worked hard to forget her past and move on with her new life in America. She goes by the name Jane and has basically given up all the customs of her culture. Jasmine\u2019s adopted sun Du is also trying to be long. He collects everything because that is how Americans are; materialistic. He also learned English very quickly. He no longer carries his dictionary around. He also adopted a new name-Yogi. Both of these characters are trying to become American-ized. Darrel, on the other hand, was born in America. He has worked on a farm all his life. His father recently died and now he is trying to decide what is right for him. He wants to see the farm and turn it in to a golf course or something. He does not want to give up his father\u2019s land, but he also does not want to be farming his whole life. His mom moved to California and in a sense he is all alone. He is desperately trying to make the right decision.","dateCreated":"1302524842","smartDate":"Apr 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"boffutt","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/boffutt","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"37455366","body":"I think that identity is the overall theme of the story as of right now. Jasmine and Du are doing things that they see the Americans doing, so they try to include themselves by doing similar things. At the same time of trying to cultivate this new culture they are not forgetting about their past morals. Although it may be difficult for them to be brought into a new type of society they have been socially accepted by the others in the community. Du had found his American identity from the point where he had to use a dictionary and now he doesn\u2019t even use it because he speaks perfect English. He also collects things throughout the story because he sees that other people around him collect things too, so he tries to fit in.","dateCreated":"1302525223","smartDate":"Apr 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Enrique27","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Enrique27","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"37463322","body":"The theme of identity is very prevailent in this story. Du and Asia are trying to americanize themselfs because they see how different they are. They notice how the storys of he culture that exists in their home country make the Iowans uncomfortable so they try not to tell them. They change their identity in a way to fit in. This explains Du's collection.","dateCreated":"1302530837","smartDate":"Apr 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"hollan_amber","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/hollan_amber","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":5}]},{"id":"37084790","dateCreated":"1301943713","smartDate":"Apr 4, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"apurcell47","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/apurcell47","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1202793136\/apurcell47-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/lhsacpw131b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/37084790"},"dateDigested":1532652739,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Jasmine Chapter 1 & 2","description":"Answer the following questions.
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\n1. Describe the culture into which the narrator was born - and her reactions to that culture - from her encounters with the astrologer and her sisters in chapter 1.
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\n2. What conclusions can you draw about the Iowans' perception of "Asia?"
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\n3. How do the people Jasmine meets deal with her "otherness?"","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"37209086","body":"1- Jasmine was born in India where the culture was very religious and traditional. Her reaction to that culture, to me, was to flee. She moved to America to get rid of the pressures of her culture and to have a better life, but also keep some of the things dear to her, like the cuisine. She did not like how she was treated, especially from her sisters and the astrologer. Her sisters believed in religious fables and thought that what the astrologer did to her was her sacred third eye. She just went along with it to satisfy her sisters, but I feel that she believes that it is just a star shaped scar.
\n2- I feel that, after reading the book so far, the perception of Asia is completely different to the Iowan\u2019s than how it is in reality. Mother Ripplemeyer seemed to think that living conditions in America are equal to or worse than it is in India. Jasmine goes along with Mother Ripplemeyer and does not correct her, but she feels that Mother Ripplemeyer is completely wrong. Jasmine thinks about the life she and Du had and how she wishes she could help all of the kids over in Asia.
\n3- I feel that they are open to her \u201cotherness.\u201d They love her cooking and take up any chance they can to eat her food. I feel that Jasmine is not discriminated and is thought of as an equal. Bud loves that he has someone different in his life from Karin.","dateCreated":"1302106759","smartDate":"Apr 6, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"paigeschoeff","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/paigeschoeff","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294330389\/paigeschoeff-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"37238186","body":"1.Jasmine was from a India which she was in a strict religion and tradition. Jasmine wanted to get a better education, so she decided to flee to America to be free and be able to get education. Jasmine wanted and needed to get away from her family and the astrologer who treated her with disrespect because the astrologer made the \u201cthird eye\u201d, and her sisters always made fun of her scare.
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\n2.The lowans\u2019 perception of \u201cAsia\u201d was like saying all Koreans, Japanese, and Chinese people are from the same place and also represent the same things. Lowans\u2019 do not fully understand Jasmine\u2019s culture so make accusations about her culture, because they do not understand what she has been through.
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\n3. The people of Elsa County at first tried to avoid her, because they were not sure how to handle her \u201cotherness\u201d. As people got comfortable with her, she opens up and people open up also but they set limits on saying certain things to her, because they do not know if it is a touchy subject or not. Bud\u2019s family liked her cultural cooking and it influenced people to open up more.","dateCreated":"1302133932","smartDate":"Apr 6, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Whedrick","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Whedrick","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294329874\/Whedrick-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"37246552","body":"Jasmine was born into a traditional Indian family. That is hard working, devout in their beliefs, and generally "pure." Sha had been instilled with these principles in her early life. Like many foreigners, she was drawn to the United States by the allure of the "American Dream," or more specifically, at first at least, a better education. In addition, I think she wanted to escape the confines of her culture and experience life for once. The Lowans are completely ignorant to Indian culture and her background, this is highlighted by her newfound nickname "Asia." The people of Elsa County are also ignorant of her culture. Because she is foreign to them in every aspect of the word they initially avoid her. As time progresses, however, the apprehension toward her culture begins to fade away and the people begin to become a little more accepting.","dateCreated":"1302141588","smartDate":"Apr 6, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"a-humphrey","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/a-humphrey","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294328930\/a-humphrey-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"37246688","body":"1. Jasmine\u2019s culture was very strict and religious. I also got the impression that her culture was a very superstitious and magical type religion. I believe this was proved during the incident with the astrologer. She was pushed over, and fell and sticks and logs, and cut herself on her forehead. The astrologer predicted that this meant misfortunes were to come later in her life. I believe she was scared of this and wanted a new life, so she moved to Iowa. Her sisters cared for her because they did not think she would be able to get a husband. This also helps me with understanding their culture in that they most likely married at a young age.
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\n2. I think the Iowans\u2019 think stereotypically about Asia. It feels as if they think they are a little weird, and their lives were good in Asia. I do not believe the Iowans fully respected what Du and Jasmine had been through in their past experiences. Jasmine thinks differently but does not say anything. I do feel later in the story the Iowans come to like Du and Jasmine. They like the cooking of Jasmine, and that Du can now speak English.
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\n3. As the story progressed, Jasmine went from weird and displaying her \u201cotherness,\u201d to being treated as a family member finally. Jasmine now had Du who is similar, and the family started to connect with each other. Like I said before, they really enjoyed her cooking as one example of her bond of chemistry with the people.","dateCreated":"1302141721","smartDate":"Apr 6, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"ironschoeff","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ironschoeff","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294676067\/ironschoeff-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"37249392","body":"1. The culture is one where the family gives the young women to any man that they choose for the girls to marry. The view any imperfections as a corruption to the beauty of the women. Her reaction seems to be one of dislike, but love. She does not want to believe what the astrologer tells her, but I believe that her culture believes in the mystical powers of the astrologer. So she ends up believing the prediction of her future. She seems to dislike the way in which marriage is decided. When she got the cut on her head her sisters where only conserved about it scarring because then she would not be able to be married easily.
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\n2. I think that the Iowans\u2019 perceptions of \u201cAsia\u201d, is one of either fear or acceptance. They mostly think of Asia as a lower class country. And they fear what it is like. They are afraid to know what Asia is like. But they end up accepting some things from Asia such as Jasmine cooking. But there view still remains far from what Asia actually is.
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\n3. Most of the people that Jasmine meets love her otherness. Her friend in New York loves her otherness and always asked her about it time and time again. Her \u201chusband\u201d likes her cooking special dishes, but never really asks her about her home. He seems fine with who Jasmine is and where she has come from. Her soon to be mother in-law on the other hand sees her otherness as sort of threating. She is afraid to hear Jasmine stories of her childhood. She does not want to hear how bad Jasmines home\/ house was. Du sees her otherness as one of familiarity. He too is from some other place that does not speak English. He can relate to her the most because he has gone through what she has gone through.","dateCreated":"1302145445","smartDate":"Apr 6, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Elizabeth.McKitrick","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Elizabeth.McKitrick","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"37259614","body":"1. The narrator was born in what would have been a perfect year, except that she is a girl, so therefore in her culture she is worthless. She has a bad encounter with an astronomer, who tells her that she is cursed.
\n2. In Iowa, they view all people from asain countries as just being from Asai. They do not care what country they are from, they group them as one.
\n3. They for the most part they just deal with it, they really do not care about it.","dateCreated":"1302174623","smartDate":"Apr 7, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"bbeatley","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/bbeatley","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294368117\/bbeatley-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"37262118","body":"1. I think that Jasmine was born into a family that practiced a strict religion and lifestyle. It seemed as if she wanted to get away from that life and I think that is why she moved away from her family. She seemed scared when the astrologer told her about her future. Even though she did not believe him, she was still worried about her life for the future.
\n2. The Iowans saw \u201cAsia\u201d as a lower class country. They thought stereotypically and thought all of them were the same. They did not understand the life that Jasmine and Du had lived. But as the story went on, they came to respect Jasmine and Du. They enjoyed Jasmine\u2019s cooking and how Du had learned English.
\n3. As the story went on they began to deal with her \u201cotherness\u201d and started to bond. They enjoyed her cooking and soon became comfortable around her.","dateCreated":"1302177923","smartDate":"Apr 7, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"nhutch5","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/nhutch5","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"37262220","body":"1. Jasmine was born in a very different culture than America. It seemed as if though she was ready to get away from that culture when she came to the United States. She did not even want to stay in New York, she moved to Iowa which was pretty much the biggest change she could get. You could tell from the encounters with the astrologer that she grew up in a very spiritual culture. They looked to the stars to tell their future.
\n2. The Iowans have a stereotypical perception of Asians. All the really know about is that they lived over in Asia and eat spicy food, and they do not seem to care for much else. Bud even calls her an Indian, but she points out that just because she speaks the Indian language does not mean she is called Indian. Jasmine thought to herself, \u201c\u2026he thinks people are whatever language they speak.\u201d Jasmine does not bother to correct him though; I think it is because she feels like he will not really care.
\n3. At first when Jasmine came to Iowa people thought she was very different and they were maybe afraid to associate with her. Eventually, they started to really like her and she loved introducing new foods to them from India. Everyone looked forward to having her dishes. Du on the other hand did not seem very interested in her stories, which was disappointing. His friends, though, loved coming over and eating what she cooked for them.","dateCreated":"1302178040","smartDate":"Apr 7, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"abbysutton","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/abbysutton","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"37262970","body":"1) From the first paragraph the reader can easily see that the narrator, presumably Jasmine at that point, was born into a third world area with the country of India. Also it can be interpreted that her culture believes deeply astrology and the effects of the stars\/ planets on their lives, and due to her Indian background she can assumed to be Hindu. Another aspect of their culture is when the sisters are horrified at Jasmine\u2019s scar because it would cause probable-husbands to turn away from her. In her defense, Jasmine wildly claimed that this scar was her \u201cthird eye,\u201d and that she had now become a sage; declarations like that in our culture would sound crazy, but in hers it was readily accepted. It is odd that Jasmine says she is a sage thus believing in the \u201cold-ways,\u201d but denies every prediction created by the local astrologer.
\n2\/3) As far as Iowans were concerned, Asia was a very foreign faraway place they knew practically nothing about. People in Iowa reacted to Jasmine as any usual American would have, they approached her cautiously. Most people were curious, but chose not to delve deeply into Jasmine\u2019s past (one example being Grandmother\u2019s stories of the great depression). Gradually as Jasmine integrated into the American culture people were more readily able to accept her culture. In fact her \u201cotherness\u201d is one of things that make her so spectacular and popular around town. Almost everyone she encounters finds her so fascinating and interesting, well except for Karin\u2026","dateCreated":"1302179005","smartDate":"Apr 7, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"jkisor","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jkisor","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"37263866","body":"Jasmine was born and raised in India. Apparently her culture upbringing believed strongly in astrology because the fortune she was told by the astrologist is what she lives by. She will not marry Bud because she does not what him to die; she\u2019d be a widowed exiles.
\nPeople in Iowa really had to prior notions about Asia except the Korean War and Bud took a business trip to China. Neither of those places are India though and the people really have no idea what life is like there.
\nPeople who meet Jasmine love her. They especially love her cooking which she has been introducing them to. Du\u2019s friend was disappointed when he thought they wouldn\u2019t be having the gobi.","dateCreated":"1302180317","smartDate":"Apr 7, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"boffutt","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/boffutt","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"37266242","body":"1. Jasmine is born in a culture with which many of us have little familiarity. She is what we, in Indiana, would call \u201cethnic.\u201d To us, her culture seems strange. We are accustomed to our \u201cnormal\u201d religions and social customs. We see some of her customs as odd or archaic. For example, many of us are unaccustomed to astrology as a religion.
\n2. The Iowans seem curious and thus accommodating. I can relate to this. I remember having kids in my classes at St. X who were of some pretty unusual ethnicities. I\u2019m not going to lie, I was nice to them, but I ended up asking a lot of questions and probably annoying them. However, the Iowans might have a little more than just curiosity towards them.
\n3. Jasmine\u2019s \u201cotherness\u201d worked in two directions. At first, when someone is different, it is a red flag of sorts. It is noticeable and it can make people uncomfortable. But once you know someone who is a little different, it becomes interesting and exciting to get to know them.","dateCreated":"1302182599","smartDate":"Apr 7, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"jake.zerbe.aka.dertyzerb.","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jake.zerbe.aka.dertyzerb.","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"37462998","body":"1- I believe Jasmine was born into a very religous culture in a third world country. The astrologist told her something about her future that she obviously did not want to beleve. I do not think that Jasmine agrees with everything about her religion, like astrology. Her sisters see her scar and feel sad that it will most likely make the process of finding her a husband more difficult. Jasmine calls it her "Third eye."
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\n2- At first the Iowans were confused about Jasmines culture at first it seems but eventually they started accepting her differences as they learned more about her and they enjoyed her food very much.
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\n3- Once the Iowans started accepting Jasmine's "otherness," it was interesting to them. They try not to put her in awkward situations and always jump at the chance to eat her food.","dateCreated":"1302530634","smartDate":"Apr 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"hollan_amber","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/hollan_amber","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":4}]},{"id":"35667112","dateCreated":"1299787090","smartDate":"Mar 10, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"apurcell47","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/apurcell47","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1202793136\/apurcell47-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/lhsacpw131b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/35667112"},"dateDigested":1532652740,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Racism in Othello Response","description":"Read the following passage and then discuss whether or not you agree (or identify) with one of the three avenues of thought regarding race in Othello. If you do not agree with any of them, you may discuss that instead. Similarly, if you agree with more than one, you may discuss that as well.
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\n "Critics have not formed any sort of consensus about the role of race in Othello, despite the fact that the topic of racism continues to be one of the most predominant issues in modern scholarship about the play. Some commentators have held that Othello is not about racism, that Othello is essentially white, or that his race is irrelevant. This position, rather popular among nineteenth- and early twentieth-century critics, including Charles Lamb and A. C. Bradley, has sparked numerous responses among modern critics who maintain emphatically that race is the essential element of the play. Scholars who assign primacy to race in Othello can be divided roughly into three categories. Critics such as John Gillies, for instance, argue that Shakespeare was upholding the racist views of the Renaissance, and that the play advocates racism. Conversely, other critics, among them Martin Orkin and Emily C. Bartels, state that Shakespeare, through his sympathetic portrayal of Othello, was critiquing racism, and taking his society to task for its racist behavior. Finally, Michael Neill (1998) and other scholars argue that it is anachronistic to apply modern ideas of racism to an earlier period. These scholars maintain that Shakespeare and his audience would have understood race, a cultural construct, in a wholly different way than we do today."","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"35720224","body":"I agree with Michael Neill the most out of these critics. Racism was probably regarded differently than it is today. People did not have the same rights as they do now. But I feel that race does not play a major role in Othello. It was mentioned that Othello is black, but he still holds a very high position and is highly regarded. Brabantio is the only person who said that Othello was black, and that was just because he married his daughter without Brabantio\u2019s permission.","dateCreated":"1299858401","smartDate":"Mar 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"paigeschoeff","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/paigeschoeff","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294330389\/paigeschoeff-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"35720394","body":"I agree that there is some racism in Othello, but it different than racism of this century. You can tell it\u2019s similar to the racism of ancient times because they talk so openly about how Othello was not fit to marry Desdemona. It is strange though because at first they act like they hate Othello because he is black. Then they compromise and allow him to be their leader because of his experience. Throughout the play though, the still refer to how he is black and ugly. I think that it is weird that Othello never even tries to defend himself. He also calls himself ugly. Overall they overlook the racism because he is the one who is the most qualified to be in the position he is in.","dateCreated":"1299858562","smartDate":"Mar 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"abbysutton","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/abbysutton","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"35720424","body":" I do not believe that Othello had much to do with racism. The fact that he is black does come up in a few lines, but the main idea of the play does not hover over that. I do not agree that Othello is white, he was black. The play focused more around lies and cheating, the characters causing this being Othello, Iago, and Desdemona. Othello is black and is still in a respected position, proving that most people do not care that he is colored due to his significant actions","dateCreated":"1299858587","smartDate":"Mar 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"hollan_amber","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/hollan_amber","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"35720472","body":"I think that the only person that shows a bit of racism towards Othello is Desdemona\u2019s father at the beginning of the story, when he found out that his daughter married Othello. No one seems to have a problem with Othello. I always agree with Michael Neill because words that we have today for racism is not the same meaning as it was when it first originated. So the critics and people of today cannot really judge if they were even being racist towards Othello or not.","dateCreated":"1299858620","smartDate":"Mar 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Whedrick","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Whedrick","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294329874\/Whedrick-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"35720704","body":"I do not believe that racism is the most predominant issue in Othello. I believe this because there is no real, big racism in the play that I found important. The only racism is when the town\u2019s people describe Othello. They sometimes call him the black moor. I did not really read this as racism; I thought that it was just an easy way to refer to Othello. The only sort of racist comments I found had come from Othello himself. He always referred to himself as black. I believe he saw himself as a lower status type of person. However, I think everyone else saw him as an equal. With these parts being the only racism in the story, I think it would be impossible to call racism the most predominant issue in Othello. I believe that deception is more likely to be most predominant issue, because that\u2019s what turns everyone against each other.","dateCreated":"1299858858","smartDate":"Mar 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Elizabeth.McKitrick","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Elizabeth.McKitrick","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"35720718","body":"Personally I agree mostly with the critic John Gillies, and that racism did play a role in Shakespeare\u2019s writing of Othello. When we first started reading Othello in class we described it as if it was a conflict of an interracial relationship. This caused me to view the play in a somewhat racist manner throughout the reading. I do not really agree with either of the critics, simply because of how I first viewed the play. Perhaps if I would have started reading the play from one of the other critics perspectives then I would be more likely to agree with them, but I agree with Gillies.","dateCreated":"1299858869","smartDate":"Mar 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Indiana_Jonas","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Indiana_Jonas","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294372647\/Indiana_Jonas-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"35721146","body":" I would agree with Michael Neill. Racism is different today than it was in Shakespearean times. The only person that refers to Othello as being black is Barbantio who does not like Othello because of how he married Barbantio\u2019s daughter without his permission. We look at racism in a different way now than people did then so people now so people may not understand the racism that is in Othello. I agree with him because racism is different now than it was then and referring to someone as black can be considered racist in today\u2019s times. So critics of today\u2019s time cannot consider this play to be racist.","dateCreated":"1299859154","smartDate":"Mar 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"nhutch5","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/nhutch5","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"35721150","body":"However smart historians or literary analysts think they may be, we the people of today have no concrete proof about the qualms or prejudices associated with racism during the time of the renaissance. Although it can be assumed that even though Othello was a highly accredited general whole was wholly qualified for his rank, the people still regarded him as a Moor, and thus there is still some form of racism during the play. Desdemona\u2019s father was angered that his precious daughter was eloping with a Moor; he was beneath her because of his race. Racism was definitely present but it in improbable that people today know exactly what Shakespeare was trying to show by presenting racism in Othello.","dateCreated":"1299859157","smartDate":"Mar 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"jkisor","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jkisor","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"35721210","body":"I agree with the third avenue related to racism, by Michael Neill. I think that it is too early of a time period to really notice any. When someone says racism to someone of our generation we think the civil rights movement and almost immeadiately African Americans. I do not think that any racism was present except for the first act with Barbantio. I think that if racism was present Othello would not be the commanding officer. Rather a white man would have been.","dateCreated":"1299859197","smartDate":"Mar 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"gernst18","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/gernst18","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"35721326","body":"I definitely agree with the critics Martin Orkin, Emily C. Bartels, and Michael Neill. I associate more with Michael Neill because we do not know how people had seen what we call racism today. We might have an idea, but human nature is very fickle and times were different. There are comments in Othello that might be looked at as being racist. I\u2019ve notice they are usually comments thrown into a dialogue, not concerning anything of what that person is talking about. It was very easy going, I have not noticed any racist comment that were used to in a racist or insulting way. They used it more to describe Othello than to insult him.","dateCreated":"1299859298","smartDate":"Mar 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Shell_bell_Abbott","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Shell_bell_Abbott","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1296045970\/Shell_bell_Abbott-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"35722522","body":"I don\u2019t agree that racism has anything to do with the play. I think that we do not have any proof that there was racism present in that time. Nor did it show in the play. Racism is very oblivient when reading and it would be picked up earlier then where we are now. Also I believe that there was no factual evidence to support the idea that racism was shown in Othello. The only semi racist comment that could be argured is how Desdamona\u2019s father was upset that she had married Othello. Other than that they make comments that he is a Moor. Like I had said, racism is not a main concern in this story. And even when this was written you could not relate today\u2019s racism to back then.","dateCreated":"1299860286","smartDate":"Mar 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Enrique27","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Enrique27","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"35723288","body":"Personally, I don't feel that Shakespeare formed the character of Othello with racism in mind. At least, I don't think that Shakespeare made this character to be someone to hate. Othello maintains honor and respect throughout the play, and he seems to be quite credible. He is also in a position of authority, to an extent. Despite his race, he was able to climb to higher level of command. The only racism I see is that demonstrated by the characters influenced by Iago to do so. These characters seem ignorant when they do so - at least, that's what I interpret.","dateCreated":"1299860888","smartDate":"Mar 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"jake.zerbe.aka.dertyzerb.","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jake.zerbe.aka.dertyzerb.","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":5}]},{"id":"35552014","dateCreated":"1299673014","smartDate":"Mar 9, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"apurcell47","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/apurcell47","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1202793136\/apurcell47-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/lhsacpw131b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/35552014"},"dateDigested":1532652741,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Othello Discussion Post","description":"Understanding conflict is central to understanding the plot of Othello. Just a reminder- internal conflict is a struggle within one's self and external conflict is a struggle with any outside force (weather, other people, animals, etc.). Answer the questions below and use the text for support.
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\n\u2022 What are the central conflicts at this point in the play?
\n\u2022 How do these conflicts compare with those you have identified earlier in the play? Has anything changed about
\nthem? Why?
\n\u2022 What are Othello\u2019s internal conflicts? What are his external conflicts?
\n\u2022 What are Roderigo\u2019s internal and external conflicts? Do they change as the play progresses?
\n\u2022 Do the minor characters have both internal and external conflicts? If they do, identify some of them. If not, identify
\nthe characters without conflicts.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"35566748","body":"First the main conflict is that Barbantio is mad because his daughter married Othello. He accuses Othello of putting a spell on her, but it is resolved when Othello and Desdemona prove they are truly in love. Then the main conflict is that Iago is going to try to ruin their marrige to help Roderigo because Roderigo says he is in love with Desdemona. The change in these two conflicts is that in the second conflict you see that Iago is not really trying to help Othello at all, but rather trying to destroy him. Othello is dealing with all kinds of conflicts. First being that he has to prove that he and Desdemona are married. Later on his internal conflicts are that he is worried that his wife is cheating on him. I think that Roderigo\u2019s main conflict is that he loves Desdemona. Some of the other characters have conflicts too. Barbantio has conflicts with his daughter because he says she is now dead to him. The Duke and the whole country have conflicts because they are about to go to war.","dateCreated":"1299686503","smartDate":"Mar 9, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"abbysutton","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/abbysutton","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"35566790","body":"I think the most obvious conflict is that between Othello and Desdamona. They are in love but are scrutinized because of their differences. Othello, a moor, and Desdamona virtually a princess have different age, race, and experience. However at this point in the play the central conflict is how Cassio has lost his Lieutenant position at the disposal of Iago. Iago has tricked Cassio into getting inebriated and doing something stupid. At this point Cassio is being attended by Desdamona and Iago begins his plot to ruin Othello\u2019s marriage with her by saying she is unfaithful. The conflicts are similar because they are involving Iago, once again. Othello does not know whether to believe Iago or not, because he loves her but the evidence is there. He is also struggling with the situation involving Cassio and his mishap. Roderigo continues to display how dumb he really is. He loves Desdamona but he doesn\u2019t really understand what is going on around him. I think there is one minor character who has something major going, and that is Emilia because Iago is being very mean and evil, and does not respect her. I think Emilia is beginning to question her marriage with Iago.","dateCreated":"1299686519","smartDate":"Mar 9, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"gernst18","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/gernst18","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"35567078","body":"Some conflicts that are currently going on are Cassio being framed for having an affair with Desdemmona, him being fired, and Lago\u2019s deceptive ploys.
\nThe conflicts are still being cause by Lago. He is messing with Othello\u2019s head and trying to break up all the good things. He is manipulative.
\nLago is a very sneaky fellow. He has convinced Othello that Desdemona is having an affair with Cassio. Othello is having internal conflict debating who to trust. He wants to trust his wife and Cassio but he just cannot. He cannot help but to wonder if what Lago is saying is true. Some of Othello\u2019s external conflicts include arguments with Cassio.
\nRoderigo wants to be with Desdemona. He struggles internally with whether or not to make Othello look bad to Barbantio. Roderigo gets in a fight with Cassio and runs away.
\nThe only minor character I have really identified with obvious conflicts is Emilia. She is starting to question her marriage with Lago.","dateCreated":"1299686683","smartDate":"Mar 9, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"boffutt","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/boffutt","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"35567234","body":"I mean Iago! not Lago.. haha","dateCreated":"1299686805","smartDate":"Mar 9, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"boffutt","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/boffutt","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"35567384","body":"Oh boy things are getting juicy! There is one central conflict throughout the play. That is that Iago wants to move up in rank, but he cannot because Cassio holds the position he needs. Therefore, Iago plots to create the illusion that Desdemona is having an affair with Cassio. All other conflicts stem from this and are all a result of Iago's "puttetiering." As far as a comparison to earlier conflicts there is a slight relation. That is that Othello thinks that Desdemona no longer loves him because of his moor status, much like her father did not like him for the same reason. The focus is now on Iago's motivations. The conflict within Othello is that he does not know whom to trust. His newly appointed, trustworthy, lieutenant is supposedly sleeping with his newlywed wife, according to Iago, whom he has been suspicious of in the past. For these reasons with the addition of the stress associated with the whole situation, he begins to think irrationally and blows small things incredibly out of proportion. Roderigo does not play a very big role past the first act. The only conflicts he has are his fight, which he runs away from, and his overall confusion with the entire situation. He has no grasp of what is happening around him and cannot make sense of any of it. As far as the other characters are concerned, yes. Cassio is desperately trying to regain Othello's favor by appealing to Desdemona. He cannot understand, however, why Othello only grows angrier at them both as he tries harder and harder (gee, wonder why). Desdemona is in the same boat as Cassio, the harder she appeals the angrier Othello gets (thanks Iago). Iago is playing puppet master for all of this, manipulating the other characters to make tem do and thing what he wants, all without their knowledge though. Emilia is simply a pawn in all of this. In short, Chaos has erupted and Iago is to blame, but no one knows that yet.","dateCreated":"1299686907","smartDate":"Mar 9, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"a-humphrey","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/a-humphrey","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294328930\/a-humphrey-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"35567652","body":"
\nOne of the central conflicts in the play is Cassio losing his rank as an officer because of Iago. Iago is pretty much behind every conflict. He sparks everything, and causes mayhem between everybody. Cassio is a good guy that has good morals, and Iago pressures Cassio into drinking. Cassio thinks alcohol is the devil, and he did not want to drink at all. Iago was persuasive enough that he had a couple drinks. Cassio was drunk, and ended up getting in a brawl with Roderigo. Iago used this against Cassio, and Cassio was no longer an officer. Othello loves Cassio very much, but had to make an example of him. Othello thinks Iago is a truthful man, when really Iago is telling all these lies.
\n In the beginning of the play Desdemona\u2019s father hated her for loving Othello. Now Othello is questioning Desdemona if she has been cheating on him with Cassio. Cassio was really trying to fix the situation he was in with the fighting situation, but Othello thinks differently. Iago\u2019s sly and cunning ways tricked Othello into believing Cassio is having relations with Desdemona.
\n Othello does not know who to trust anymore. He feels that his best friend and his lover have betrayed him. He has to deal with his job controlling his troops, and now he has relationship and trust issues. Roderigo\u2019s external conflict was when he got into a fight with Cassio, and how he is being controlled by Iago. Roderigo is being abused. Roderigo is in love with Desdemona, and he cannot do anything about it because Othello is her lover. He should realize that Othello is her husband, and he should find somebody else to love.
\n Cassio, Othello, Iago, and Desdemona are all pretty major characters. Some minor characters include Iago\u2019s wife Emilia and Roderigo. They play a role trying to help Cassio get back on Othello\u2019s good side, or go along with Iago\u2019s sly plans. Basically all the characters have some sort of conflict involving Iago\u2019s plan.","dateCreated":"1299687078","smartDate":"Mar 9, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"ironschoeff","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ironschoeff","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294676067\/ironschoeff-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"35567860","body":"1. The central conflict right now in Othello is that, Othello thinks that Cassio is trying to get with Desdemona. Which he is not trying to get with her he admires her beauty, and he is trying to earn the trust back from Othello and get on his good side. Iago is not making it easy for Cassio to get back on Othello\u2019s good side. Iago is really trying to destroy Othello and Desdemona\u2019s marriage up; by helping Roderigo get with Desdemona.
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\n2. I think that the only thing is that Iago brought Cassio into his plan of getting Othello and Desdemona to split up. But the main conflict is still the same. All the little conflicts are for the big overall and that is Iago to overthrow Othello, that\u2019s why he had to get his best soldier Cassio out of the way. They haven\u2019t mentioned again Desdemona dad and how he disagrees with their marriage.
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\n3. Othello\u2019s internal conflicts are he doesn\u2019t know who to trust around him because all the close people he had are now \u201csupposedly \u201care going behind his back. His external conflicts are being able to trust Cassio who sparked a brawl in the streets late at night and that Iago have made it seem that Cassio and Desdemona Othello\u2019s wife are having an affair.
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\n4. Roderigo is in love with Desdemona which she is already married, so Iago is trying to get Desdemona to like Roderigo, which is not working out for Roderigo. Roderigo got into a fist fight with Cassio as Cassio was at night guard, and Cassio was drunk which made him more vulnerable to get into a fight. Iago planned for Roderigo to get into the fight with Cassio so that Othello would let him go. I do not think that it changes as the play goes on because Roderigo still is trying to get with Desdemona.
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\n5. Emilia who is Iago\u2019s wife she is connected to all of this because she is friends with Desdemona. They talk all the time and they got Cassio to come to talk to Desdemona to get Othello to take him back as being an high officer. Emilia tries everything to make her husband happy even though he is a jerk to her all the time. She got Desdemona\u2019s handkerchief for Iago to make it seem more believable that Cassio and Desdemona are having an affair. Emilia backed stabbed her friend but without knowing it.","dateCreated":"1299687215","smartDate":"Mar 9, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Whedrick","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Whedrick","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294329874\/Whedrick-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"35568004","body":"The conflicts of Shakespeare\u2019s plays are normally fairly easy to spot. Conflicts drive the excitement of the play. This was centrally important to Shakespeare. He was writing for an audience. He had to keep people coming to plays so he could put bread on the table. In fact, in many ways, Shakespeare created many motifs of conflict. At the least, he popularized them. The internal conflicts fond in Othello are typical. Othello questions his thoughts about love and trust. A lesser character, Brabrantio, has an inner struggle with the fact that his daughter has been lying to him. Cassio struggles with his self perception and has a hard time dealing with the unfortunate events that he has experienced. Roderigo struggles with love as well. He also has to deal with an extent of defeat.
\nThe internal conflicts stem from external conflicts. It seems that Iago is the exclusive supplier of external conflict. In Othello\u2019s case, Iago has treacherously framed a lie of a scenario. Iago initiates the conflict with Othello. Iago is also partially responsible for Roderigo\u2019s struggle too, even though he is supposedly \u201con his side\u201d at times.","dateCreated":"1299687321","smartDate":"Mar 9, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"jake.zerbe.aka.dertyzerb.","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jake.zerbe.aka.dertyzerb.","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"35568286","body":"1. Some central conflicts up to this point in the play are Iago trying to ruin Othello\u2019s reputation, and take his job. Some other central conflicts are Iago using Roderigo\u2019s emotions to help hurt Othello. Also Othello thinking that Desdemona is cheating on him. As well as, Cassio trying to obtain his job back by using Desdemona to get her husband (Othello) to forgive him.
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\n2. They compare with the conflicts already indentified earlier in the play by being the same conflicts only more complex. The conflicts have changed in their complexity. They have progressed like this because all of the conflicts are starting to blend together, and get tangled up into a mess. A mess that no one can get out of and the more they try the more tangled they become. They also get more complex because Iago keeps creating new conflicts for everyone. As long as Iago has the freedom to keep creating these conflicts, conflicts will never be resolved.
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\n3. Othello has both internal and external conflicts happening to him. One of Othello\u2019s internal conflicts is that his mind is trying to grasp the idea that Desdemona is cheating on him with Cassio. This idea has locked itself into Othello\u2019s brain and it just keeps toying with him. He becomes so obsessed with this idea that he actually starts to hate Desdemona, and he wants to kill her. He also has a racialism based internal conflict. Othello always seems to think that people are against him because of the color of his skin.
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\nSome external conflicts that Othello has are mainly related in some way to other people. One of his external conflicts was the war. He was the person in charge of leading the army. So he had to worry about the lives of all of his men. He also had to think about battle strategy. Another external conflict of Othello\u2019s is his problem with Cassio there is a lot of tension between the two men. Othello thinks Cassio had slept with his wife, but Cassio has done nothing of the sort. The only thing that Cassio is guilty of is trying to serve Othello to the best of his ability.
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\n4. Roderigo also has internal and external conflicts. His biggest internal conflict is his everlasting love for Desdemona. Roderigo love Desdemona so much but he has to keep quiet about it because Desdemona is already married. So this enormous love helps to contribute to Roderigo\u2019s external conflict. He has an external conflict with Othello, because Othello has married Desdemona. So now all Roderigo wants is to win Desdemona over and he himself marry her. Roderigo also has a conflict with Iago. This conflict is not well seen but it is there. The conflict is Iago told Roderigo that he would help Roderigo win over Desdemona, and then Desdemona would fall in love with Roderigo and live happily ever after. The conflict is Iago said all of that but he is not acting upon it. All Iago is doing is thinking of himself. Iago is using Roderigo to help him get the position that he wanted and felt that he deserved. One other external conflict of Roderigo is the fight that he had with Cassio because Iago told him to. This fight brings up even more conflicts among the main characters.
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\nThe conflicts that progress as the play goes on are Roderigo's external conflicts with Iago. Roderigo starts to figure out that Iago says that he is trying to help him win over Desdemona but he is not really doing anything.
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\n5. The minor characters have both internal and external conflicts. Emilia has conflicts with her husband Iago. They have an abusive relationship; Iago takes advantage of Emilia all of the time. Emilia also has an internal conflict with her conscious. She feels bad in taking Desdemona\u2019s handkerchief. She is caught in between her husband and her friend. The other minor character such as the gentlemen have external conflicts consisting of the war that they were involved in.","dateCreated":"1299687554","smartDate":"Mar 9, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Elizabeth.McKitrick","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Elizabeth.McKitrick","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"35568474","body":"The central conflict is that Iago is trying to destroy Othello because of jealousy and he believes Othello had wronged him by giving his potion to Cassio, also Iago heard a rumor about Othello having sex with his wife Emilia, and so Iago is getting Othello back by ruining him and his marriage.
\nT he beginning of the play the conflict was that Brabantio heard that Othello had taken his daughter and had married her in secret. This angers him and he feels a sense of betrayal toward Othello for what he had done. So he attempts to have Othello stripped of his position. Iago and Roderigo are the ones who informed Brabantio of what Othello had done. The real conflict comes out when you realize that Iago is pulling the strings throughout the whole play to get his revenge on Othello for what he believed Othello had done to wrong him. Iago is the one who informed Brabantio so he can get close to Othello and distract him from what he is doing. So the first conflict is really a cover up for the real conflict that Iago is heading.
\nOthello\u2019s internal conflicts consist of his love for Desdemonia. Iago had cunning put doubt into Othello\u2019s head of Desdemona\u2019s faithfulness to him. Iago made it appear that Desdemonia and Cassio are having an affair and Iago got other characters involved to push this belief into place. By getting Emilia to get Desdemona\u2019s handkerchief and giving it to him so he can place in on Cassio and frame him. He shows Othello this and makes Othello angry enough and heartbroken enough to want to kill Desdemonia. Othello is feeling a great amount of betrayal causing those rash thoughts. Othello\u2019s external conflicts are the extreme weather that he sailed in and the war with the Turks.
\nRoderigo\u2019s internal conflicts would be that he is in love with Desdemonia and had asked for her hand but Brabantio had said no. Roderigo pairs up with Iago believing that Iago will help him get Desdemona\u2019s hand in marriage, but Iago does not care about what Roderigo want and is really using him, making him believe that he is helping him but really he is just using him to get what he want. Iago knows that Othello want to kill Desdemona and that to completely destroy Othello and get his revenge then Desdemona has to die. Iago knows if his plans work that Roderigo and Desdemona will never be together. Roderigo\u2019s external conflict would be him getting in a fight with Cassio because Iago made him believe he had to get Cassio stripped of his position to get close to obtaining Desdemona\u2019s hand.
\nOne character that has internal and external conflicts would be Emilia because she does everything she can for her husband Iago to keep him happy because I believe she fears that he will leave her and maybe even physically harm her is she does not. Every character minor or large has their own unique internal and external struggle even though some are not outright identified. You can tell by how they act or by what they are doing in the play.","dateCreated":"1299687691","smartDate":"Mar 9, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Shell_bell_Abbott","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Shell_bell_Abbott","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1296045970\/Shell_bell_Abbott-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"35568606","body":"The central conflict at this moment in the play is the effect of the Iago\u2019s deceptive \u201cpuppeteering.\u201d He has managed to convince Othello that Desdemona has been unfaithful to him. Doubting his marriage, Othello is unsure of his love, his wife, and his life in general. The woman that Othello fought to have, and persuaded a very powerful Senator that he was worthy of has betrayed him! Not with some random person, but his \u201cright hand man,\u201d his Lieutenant Cassio was the supposed home wrecker. Othello\u2019s life as he had known it has essentially been flipped upside down. However all of these atrocities are part of Iago\u2019s intricate plan of the vengeance which is the plays true conflict.
\nRoderigo is simply a puppet in Iago\u2019s scheme, but he is still unaware, as are most of the other \u201cminor\u201d people in the play. They only play the role that Iago wants them to play. That shows how much control Iago really had.","dateCreated":"1299687818","smartDate":"Mar 9, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"jkisor","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jkisor","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"35568656","body":"The central conflict shown in this point in time is the fact about how Cassio had lost his lieutenant position and how Iago had set him up. This really shows how Iago has been behind most the conflicts leading to this point in the play. Iago tries to ruin the relationship between Othello and Desdamona by sayin that she is having a relationship with Cassio to Othello. Othello is confused because he doesn\u2019t want to believe it is true but at the same time it all fits together. Roderigo, throughout the mists of everything, showed his ignorance but he loves Desdamona too. It feels like everyone loves Desdamona. And the most obvious conflict is who will Desdamona go for?","dateCreated":"1299687860","smartDate":"Mar 9, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Enrique27","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Enrique27","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":4}]},{"id":"34068836","dateCreated":"1297439465","smartDate":"Feb 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"jhand7","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jhand7","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294329320\/jhand7-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/lhsacpw131b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/34068836"},"dateDigested":1532652743,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Friday's Reading ASSignment ","description":"Read the article and reflect on the value of what the author is stating about college reading.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"34069996","body":"I felt like this piece was a prime example of what the author was trying to get across. His opinion on how he felt about how high school and middle school English classes are set up scare the students away from taking English in college. The entire time I was reading I was getting side tracked on trying to figure the meaning of words than the actual meaning of the piece and it was very difficult to understand. It felt as if I was an English major trying to analyze his thoughts. I would have been left here clueless if I wouldn\u2019t have asked questions.","dateCreated":"1297440209","smartDate":"Feb 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Enrique27","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Enrique27","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"34070106","body":"Jenny: your choice of capitalization is completely irrevelant and immature.
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\nI would have to say that I agree with the author's argument. He believed that secondary education has made literary interpretation so balck and white that students become afraid of taking english classes at the post-secondary level. The ways in which classes are currently being taught are inconsistent with the goal of education. Now, high school standards set forth what must be taught and, to an extent, how it must be taught. Students are forced to disregard a text's face value and search for the hidden meanings, which do not always exist. This is something that I agree with.","dateCreated":"1297440280","smartDate":"Feb 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"a-humphrey","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/a-humphrey","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294328930\/a-humphrey-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"34070186","body":"I was unable to understand the article. The article was to boring and complex for me to comprehend what he was talking about. All that I got out of the article was how close reading is not helpful in school. He also states that students do not want to take college English classes because of what they completed in high school. The article was really confusing though and almost torturous to read. Please never make me read something like that again.","dateCreated":"1297440365","smartDate":"Feb 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Indiana_Jonas","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Indiana_Jonas","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294372647\/Indiana_Jonas-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"34070236","body":"
\nThe author implied that college should not consist of close reading. In this article, it was stated that paying close attention doesn\u2019t guarantee even minimal understanding or response. If close reading doesn\u2019t help you exceed in school work, then it is not necessary. Close reading cannot help you understand the deeper meaning sometimes because it is hard to understand the true meaning of an article or story when only the author truly knows what the meaning of the story is to be. An author could want their message to be simple, but if read too analytically, the message could be changed.","dateCreated":"1297440394","smartDate":"Feb 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"paigeschoeff","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/paigeschoeff","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294330389\/paigeschoeff-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"34070282","body":"In this illustrious article the author is explaining what closed reading is to start the piece. Closed reading is, reading the text and understanding what the text is actually saying. He expresses how he basically doesn\u2019t like college english classes. He explains how high school English classes scare the youth away from taking college english classes. The english in high school is all black and white, very simplistic. He criticizes the New Critics about how what they have told us to learn is completely wrong, and because of it our generation has been inept in understanding poetry and reading more difficult text","dateCreated":"1297440439","smartDate":"Feb 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"gernst18","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/gernst18","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"34070290","body":"The writing style that this author used is very difficult to comprehend. It is hard for me to interpret the words he uses in his writing and I think he could of wrote this article in simpler way to get the message across. I think that his main point is that high school students are afraid to take college english courses. The reading should be changed in high school to help better prepare students for college classes so they will be more prepared. They should be taught how to look into the text\u2019s bigger meaning and how to interpret text in order to be less intimidated by future classes. They should be taught how to find hidden meanings because the writing they will read will become more complex and the message will not be as clear.","dateCreated":"1297440446","smartDate":"Feb 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"nhutch5","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/nhutch5","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"34070476","body":"I agree to a certain extent to what the writer of the articule, \u201cShould College Reading Be Close Reading\u201d. He talks about how high school and middle schools basicaly scaried kids away from poetry and litature. At one point he talks about what needs to be changed in high school and middle school english classes to help student have a deeper understanding of litature and poetry. I agree that students need to be taught to deeply understand a story or poem then just reading it and answering questions that do not get to the deeper point of the story. The saying, read between the lines, goes great with this consept. I believe he is basically saying that litature is not black and white, but has a lot of grays in between.","dateCreated":"1297440564","smartDate":"Feb 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Shell_bell_Abbott","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Shell_bell_Abbott","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1296045970\/Shell_bell_Abbott-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"34070670","body":"I agree that the author when he says that secondary schools scare away kids from literature, because the things that we have to do like interpret poems which most of us have a hard time with and because we have a hard time with it, we sometimes feel stupid so we give up. Most of the time the text is \u201cblack and white\u201d when our generation is more liberal than it used to be. He thinks that the new critics are being to \u201cdistance\u201d readers and not being \u201cclose readers\u201d. The new critics are not about the kids reading and understanding the text. Where they want us to read difficult texts and try to understand.","dateCreated":"1297440692","smartDate":"Feb 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Whedrick","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Whedrick","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294329874\/Whedrick-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"34070716","body":"I agree with what the author explained in the article. The author explained how college English classes scare the incoming students of the school. I believe this is true because often times I do not understand many things we do in high school English. I could not get a lot of information out of this article, because the vocabulary used is beyond my current level. I do agree strongly that people are afraid of taking English classes in college. I believe that this is a common occurrence among many students, because I am personally worried about having to take English courses in college. The article would have been better if I could have taken more information out of it.","dateCreated":"1297440720","smartDate":"Feb 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"ironschoeff","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ironschoeff","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294676067\/ironschoeff-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"34070846","body":"The author of \u201cShould College English Be Close Reading\u201d asked numerous questions regarding the current education of today\u2019s English education system, and attempts to highlight problems with this existing system. We, the students, have been \u201cinstitutionalized\u201d into doubting our own reading and analyzing abilities when it come to educational literature. The author blames this institutionalization bon the current teaching methods and the New Critics. It does not matter if the student reads\/re-reads the text because no matter how much they truly understand they have been trained to not believe their own opinions of the writing. As the author stated, \u201cthey check those resources at the classroom door.\u201d The main points of the essay in my opinion were hard to comprehend because they were hidden and covered by the author\u2019s intellectual vocabulary and the \u201cacademic\u201d word usage. I think the author\u2019s ideas would have been easier to comprehend coming from a simpler writer, but the \u201cacademic sound\u201d of the writing seems to make it more credible in the reader\u2019s eyes.","dateCreated":"1297440829","smartDate":"Feb 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"jkisor","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jkisor","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"34070906","body":"I agree that high school English classes do scare people away from college level English classes. The fact that people shy away from getting wrong answers on their test, and if they cannot interpret a poem I feel that they could feel stupid, and give up on working to get better. I think that the critics who picked the novels \/books that we have read were being bias. They picked these novels so long ago that it seems that only the rich white man\u2019s work is given to us. However, in the old society there were so many great authors were overlooked just because they were African American or because they were poor. I think that society today needs to incorporate many different styles of writing from many different authors into the curriculum today.
\nP.S. I took some time out of my reading time to find the discussion tab of what we were supposed to write about.","dateCreated":"1297440874","smartDate":"Feb 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Elizabeth.McKitrick","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Elizabeth.McKitrick","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"34071598","body":"Personally, I have never had a terrible problem with critical reading, close reading, or anyhting of the like. I haven't been particularly scared away from English courses based on what I have experienced in high school, either. Yes, some of my teachers have used dreadfully boring, and in some cases over the top methods. But I have kept an open mind. A bad teaching method doesn't negate the value of literature and writing. I think that the real problem is America's general apathy. For everything (save consumption). I'd say that less than 1% of students go to school excited to learn. Kids don't like learning. It's burdensome. Why? I think to answer that, one would need to dive much deeper into the issue than this article suggests. There are societal issues tied in this that extend far beyond teaching methods.","dateCreated":"1297441447","smartDate":"Feb 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"jake.zerbe.aka.dertyzerb.","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jake.zerbe.aka.dertyzerb.","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":8}]},{"id":"34067750","dateCreated":"1297438634","smartDate":"Feb 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"a-humphrey","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/a-humphrey","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294328930\/a-humphrey-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/lhsacpw131b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/34067750"},"dateDigested":1532652744,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"2\/11\/11 post","description":"You didn't give us a post, I am highly disappointed...","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"33916434","dateCreated":"1297262513","smartDate":"Feb 9, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"apurcell47","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/apurcell47","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1202793136\/apurcell47-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/lhsacpw131b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/33916434"},"dateDigested":1532652744,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"\"The Lesson\"","description":"What lesson was Miss Moore trying to teach the children? Do you think Sylvia and Laurel learned the same lesson? Why or why not?","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"33973058","body":"The lesson that Miss Moore was trying to teach the children was that even though we are told that we are all equal, does not mean that we actually are all equal. Some people have more money than other people do. She seemed to say that social structure and class seem to be a definite way to tell who has money and who doesn\u2019t. She also says that anyone can change their situation if they want to bad enough. I think Laurel learned the lesson because she seemed to make Miss Moore light up when she described what she learned that day. However I do not think Sylvia learned the lesson; she seemed more interested in trying to keep Laurel quiet than in hearing what Laurel had to say. She seemed stuck up to me. She also seemed to have an outlook of she was always right no matter what.","dateCreated":"1297311210","smartDate":"Feb 9, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Elizabeth.McKitrick","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Elizabeth.McKitrick","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33973848","body":"I believe Ms. Moore was simply teaching the children how to mature, and the value of things in life such as sharing and thinking about life in general more. Ms. Moore could have possibly been teaching the children about social classes and the value of the dollar. One example of this is how Ms. Moore explained how a toy one child owned could feed a family of six. In the short story it was also explained how the kids were always almost jealous sounding of Ms. Moore\u2019s college degree. I believe Ms. Moore wanted to teach the kids that a college degree was very important. I think Laurel learned her lesson because she realized that people spend to much money on certain things, which was something Ms. Moore was teaching her. I do not think Sylvia learned anything. She felt stubborn and not willing to learn.","dateCreated":"1297312456","smartDate":"Feb 9, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"ironschoeff","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ironschoeff","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294676067\/ironschoeff-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33983374","body":"Plenty of lessons can be found in "The Lesson," but what Miss Moore was trying to teach the children, Laurel and Sylvia specifically, is debatable. At first I believed that Miss Moore was trying to show the children the \u201cvalue of a dollar,\u201d and to give them a different outlook on how people buy things, and how much some people might pay for such simple toys. The more I read it, the more I began to think of the story as less of a lesson, and more of a reality check. The real \u201clesson\u201d was that life is not fair, it does not matter if you could get the same boat from \u201cPop\u2019s\u201d store for a mere fraction of the cost, or that the money spent on some of these trivial things could feed a family of six. They can whine, beg, and plead for things to be different but the only thing holding themselves back is them. This is not some communist paradise where no one has to go to college or work to better themselves, and everyone is treated equally. They need to go to college, get a degree, break the cycle, and give themselves a better opportunity. Laurel opened up and began to ask Miss Moore some very good questions; she was learning. That stubborn brat Sylvia, on the other hand, refused to learn or even listen to some of the things Miss Moore was attempting to tell her.
\nIf I was really cynical, which I am, I would say that the stealing of Miss Moore\u2019s change was a foreshadowing of Sylvia\u2019s future. Perhaps she will be a crook, but she will probably just freeload off of our nation\u2019s taxpayers. And the cycle continues\u2026","dateCreated":"1297344244","smartDate":"Feb 10, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"jkisor","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jkisor","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33983796","body":"I felt that Sylvia was very stubborn compared to Laurel when it came to understanding the true meaning behind the lesson. Ms. Moore was trying to show the two girls that it\u2019s not always about money. Laurel seemed like she understood what Ms. Moore was trying to get across and saw that the one toy symbolized one thing that could boost a family\u2019s morale such as being able to eat dinner that night, etc. It felt like Sylvia was happy with the way that she lived but that\u2019s her own opinion and everyone is entitled to it.","dateCreated":"1297344949","smartDate":"Feb 10, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Enrique27","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Enrique27","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33983822","body":"Miss Moore was trying to teach the kids about money and life in general. These kids were poor and from the projects. They went into the rich neighborhood so Miss Moore could show them how much rich people spend on things. Sylvia did not really get much out of the trip because she did not have the best attitude about it. She just wanted to go home the whole time they were out. Lauren did learn something from the day though. She learned that people spend too much money on certain things when they can get it for a much more reasonable price somewhere, like the \u201cPop\u2019s\u201d store they speak of. Miss Moore was just trying to teach the kids about how they can better their lives, and better the quality of life.","dateCreated":"1297344981","smartDate":"Feb 10, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"abbysutton","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/abbysutton","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33984568","body":"I believe Miss Moore was trying to show the kids that there is much more in the world then what they know. I also think she was trying to show them important values, like the value of money. She was also trying to show the kids that there are different values to different people. That everyone should have an equal chance for a better life, to be able to gain what a person wants or needs. That the amount of money you have in your packet should not hold a person back. She also showed them that there are social classes in society. I believe Laurel learned the lesson because she stated, \u201cThat this is not much of a democracy if you ask me. Equal chance to pursue happiness means an equal crack at the dough, don\u2019t it.\u201d I think Laurel hit the nail on the head because this is exactly what Miss Moore wanted the kids to see. Sylvia, I think grasped what Miss Moore was saying because she had a feeling of shame and she got upset at the prices in the store. At the end of the story Sylvia decided she was going somewhere to think about all that happened that day. So I believe Sylvia understood the lesson she just had a hard time understanding why it was the way it was.","dateCreated":"1297345848","smartDate":"Feb 10, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Shell_bell_Abbott","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Shell_bell_Abbott","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1296045970\/Shell_bell_Abbott-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33986822","body":"\u201cThe Lesson\u201d was about a group of bratty children who could not care less about learning and making a better future for themselves. Ms. Moore took them to the store for multiple reasons. I thought she was taking them there to show them the value of a dollar. She kind of did that, but I am not sure that that was her main concern. Some of the kids recognized that the money some people spend on toys is enough to feed all the kids. They were making judgment on what is worth the money and what is not. That is a good lesson to learn, especially for people who do not have any money. I think Ms. Moore\u2019s real lesson was that the world is not a friendly sharing place. They will never be able to buy those toys if they continue living the way they are now. They have to better themselves because society will keep looking down on them if they do not. I think that Laurel understood the lesson more than Sylvia. Sylvia seemed very hard headed and was not going to learn anything from some snobby lady who wore nice clothing and made them learn even when it was hot out. She was too busy trying to keep Laurel from talking. Laurel seemed to understand more because she contributed to the conversation afterwards.","dateCreated":"1297347959","smartDate":"Feb 10, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"boffutt","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/boffutt","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33987012","body":"Miss Moore is portrayed as an educated person in a community otherwise void of educated people. This makes me wonder why she is there and not out making money and living well. Miss more seems to have a chip in her shoulder. It seems fitting that she take the kids to see how unfair society is. She went to school and still lives in the slums; people buy toys that cost more than her monthly expenses. I think the characters all seem to have a similar revelation. Sugar even throws out a pretty thoughtful interpretation of the toy store, which I wouldn't have expected initially.","dateCreated":"1297348107","smartDate":"Feb 10, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"jake.zerbe.aka.dertyzerb.","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jake.zerbe.aka.dertyzerb.","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33989006","body":"I felt that Miss Moore was trying to teach Laurel and Sylvia the value of money. They did not really understand that some people have more or less money than others. I think Miss Moore took them on this trip to teach them a lesson about money and life so that they could understand the different classes in society. Sylvia did not want to listen and I do not think she got much out of the lesson. Laurel on the other hand was more open to what Miss Moore was saying and I think she did start to understand what Miss Moore was trying to explain.","dateCreated":"1297349431","smartDate":"Feb 10, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"nhutch5","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/nhutch5","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33989134","body":"I think Miss Moore was trying to teach the children to be grateful for what they have, and work hard. I\u2019m assuming Laurel is \u201cSugar\u201d, and I think she learned the same lesson as Sylvia. She realized that people could \u201cfeed a family of six or seven\u201d with the money one could spend on a toy. When Miss Moore showed the $1000 toy sail boat and $35 clown to Sylvia, she thought of all the other ways she could spend that money, and even though she was stubborn, she learned the lesson, too. I also think she realized life isn\u2019t always fair, and to work for what she felt she deserved. As she said, \u201cain\u2019t nobody gonna beat me at nuthin,\u201d and I think that is the separate lesson she learned that \u201cSugar\u201d didn\u2019t.","dateCreated":"1297349499","smartDate":"Feb 10, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"jhand7","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jhand7","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294329320\/jhand7-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33991844","body":"Miss Moore was trying to teach these young kids that you should not discriminate anyone due to their class. If we shared the wealth then whatever class you are in would not decide how you are treated. I believe that Laurel learned in the end that Miss Moore was correct on her teachings but Sylvia was too stubborn to change her ways.","dateCreated":"1297351250","smartDate":"Feb 10, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"hollan_amber","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/hollan_amber","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33992344","body":"I thought that this was about the value of a dollar. Laurel understood that you have to work for your money and that you shouldn't take from others, although she did not want to admot it. Sylvia was more hard headed and did not however.","dateCreated":"1297351493","smartDate":"Feb 10, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"a-humphrey","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/a-humphrey","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294328930\/a-humphrey-lg.jpg"}}],"more":5}]},{"id":"33903730","dateCreated":"1297225966","smartDate":"Feb 8, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"apurcell47","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/apurcell47","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1202793136\/apurcell47-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/lhsacpw131b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/33903730"},"dateDigested":1532652745,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"No Wiki for Tuesday Night","description":"Sorry kids, I had a meeting with a parent that was unexpected and had to take care of some other things that got in the way of posting your question. So - you get a free night. Don't worry, I'll make it up by giving you another one soon :o) I know, you're all so filled with joy aren't you?","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"33864496","dateCreated":"1297192485","smartDate":"Feb 8, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"jhand7","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jhand7","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294329320\/jhand7-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/lhsacpw131b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/33864496"},"dateDigested":1532652745,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"hmm...","description":"Is there supposed to be a post for "A Small, Good Thing"?","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"33881306","body":"i thought so?","dateCreated":"1297206919","smartDate":"Feb 8, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"paigeschoeff","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/paigeschoeff","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294330389\/paigeschoeff-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33887806","body":"I thought so also.","dateCreated":"1297211856","smartDate":"Feb 8, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Elizabeth.McKitrick","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Elizabeth.McKitrick","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33891492","body":"me three (four, whatever y'all get the point)","dateCreated":"1297214617","smartDate":"Feb 8, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"a-humphrey","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/a-humphrey","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294328930\/a-humphrey-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33899304","body":"I think she forgot...","dateCreated":"1297219998","smartDate":"Feb 8, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Whedrick","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Whedrick","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294329874\/Whedrick-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33901500","body":"party!!!!!!","dateCreated":"1297222432","smartDate":"Feb 8, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"gernst18","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/gernst18","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33903722","body":"Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry kids, I had a meeting with a parent that was unexpected and had to take care of some other things that got in the way of posting your question. So - you get a free night. Don't worry, I'll make it up by giving you another one soon :o) I know, you're all so filled with joy aren't you?","dateCreated":"1297225947","smartDate":"Feb 8, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"apurcell47","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/apurcell47","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1202793136\/apurcell47-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33915602","body":":) no i love these! but I also love a freebee!","dateCreated":"1297261804","smartDate":"Feb 9, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Shell_bell_Abbott","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Shell_bell_Abbott","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1296045970\/Shell_bell_Abbott-lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]}],"more":true},"comments":[]},"http":{"code":200,"status":"OK"},"redirectUrl":null,"javascript":null,"notices":{"warning":[],"error":[],"info":[],"success":[]}}